Chinese propaganda takes aim at the next Olympic host: Canada

A rapist who let the victim scream is still a rapist. Telling people you are better than the other rapists because you let the victim scream only makes you a hypocrite.

Maybe this is a cultural difference. In Chinese culture, you need to clean your own house before you can point finger at others.

Is hypocrisy not a bad word in western culture? Of course you have the right to criticize others, but if you can't live up to the same standard, it will make you a hypocrite.

It's common sense.

Canadians don't mind people complaining about their country. They do a lot of complaining too. That why Chinese complaining about Canadian policies and practises won't create any reaction from Canadians.

We even let Quebec to have a referendum on separation.

Rapist are bad. Period. Those don't stop and continue to rape are the worse. And rapists that continue to rape and complain about other people pointing fingers at them are just evil.

@Hypocrite:

I think you missed the point. Canadians don't try and hide their imperfections; they do the opposite, in fact. Canada has some horrible failures, but the evidence suggests that Canadians would like to remove this blemish. How do I know this? There are aboriginal lobby groups, millions of dollars are poured into aboriginal communities each year, and they are free to protest and complain about the way they are treated.

In contrast, China has closed Tibet, outlawed dissent, and slammed those who dare speak out. Closing off information and turning one's head to refrain from looking at a country's historical blemish is not the way to solve the problem.

Yeah, be pround of your country, it's good for you.

@hypocrite:

You say "In Chinese culture, you need to clean your own house before you can point finger at others."

Are you suggesting that the recent blitz of finger pointing from some Chinese hands comes from a clean house? What about the fingers that have been swept under the rug? Does that accord with your vision of cleanliness?

The problem with hypocrites is that they can only see the evil in others but not the evil in themselves. They like to point fingers because it can make them feel morally superior.

@Hypocrite:

Canada is not morally superior in terms of past human rights abuses. Nobody is making that case. But Canada is morally superior in the fact that they discuss it openly.

A rapist is a rapist. There is no such thing as good rapist or bad rapist.

Canada is not morally superior, the Canadian government is just more hypocritical than the Chinese government. You are confused.

Cam,

"Aboriginal Canadians have unfettered and free access to practise whatever religion they choose"

In 1737, 26%-50% of all Tibetan men were lamas, who don't work at all. If you think this is healthy for a modern society or Tibetans should stick to that and live in poverty forever, it's your right.

Just out of curiosity, if I'm a Canadian and I want to be a monk, so that I don't have to work, what should I do? Are you sure I can become one?

You can claim moral superiority after you give the land back to the natives. Only then can you support "Free Tibet". Otherwise, you are just a hypocrite.

You Canucks would want to watch out, before the local baa-baas start scrawling swastikas over the lovely red maple, and screaming abuse at Canadian children that are just trying to get to class.

@XNiteMan:

Yes, if you want to become a monk in Canada, you can.

Second, do I think that up to 50% of men being monks is good for society? That's not up to me... if that is how Tibetans wants to run their country, that is their right. I have no right to impose on Tibet what kind of "society" they should have.

Not all people worship capitalism and material goods. A healthy dose of respect for those different from us is sometimes called for.

@hypocrite:

As Cam points out, Canada is guilty of human rights abuses. But the country and its people generally acknowledge this and discuss it openly without accusing anyone else (or nation) of similar mistakes, past or present. This isn't happening in China. You've missed the point, hypocrite.

@Hypocrite:

First, I do not support a "free Tibet". I didn't mention that anywhere in the story, and have never mentioned that on this blog. I support open dialogue between the Dalai Lama and China to find a long-term solution to the problem. Simply demonizing a God King that many Tibetans idolize will not help China's case. But if it insists to go down this path, it will reap what it sows.

Second, I admit openly to Canada's sins. You say a rapist is still a rapist. I agree. So do you admit China fits that description then?

The Chinese government did not point fingers at your government on the issue of human rights, so the Chinese government is not hypicritical. But your government IS, because it supports the DL (who is seeking independence) in the name of human rights.

At least the Tibetans still have their own land.

Why is it so hard to understand?

But Cam, you did refer to Tibet as a "country" above... tut tut tut! ;-)

Right, Hypocrite, you very aptly named individual... the Chinese gov't never points any fingers in this regard...

...except that retaliatory middle one that's stuck up a day or two after the release of the US' annual Human Rights Report!

@Hypocrite:

I'm not sure how familiar you are with Canada's aboriginal issue, but I will try and fill you in a bit. A few years ago, the BC government signed a treaty with the Nisga'a people, providing them a massive "nation" within Canada. In addition, Canada has created an entire massive territory called Nunavut, which is heavily populated with native Canadians. Aboriginal people in Canada, while having land taken away from them when the Europeans arrived, have been granted large swathes of land in an effort to return as much as possible. This is to rebut your last point, which was "...at least Tibetans still have their own land." Canadian aboriginals have a lot of land, too. Despite this, and I stress, not enough has been done. I admit this openly.

Second, I'm not interested in whether China is hypocritical or not. That is a discussion for another day. In fact, you are welcome to your opinion. Perhaps China does not want to hear any dissenting opinions or suggestions from foreign governments. That is China's right. Canada wishes to hear all opinions. That is Canada's right. We can let readers decide which will be more conducive to solving problems.

Cam,

Cool, but if we can't talk about what's best for a society, how can you talk about what's morally superior? How do you define morality?

Really interesting video. Couple of things to take note from it. First, I love the fact that they used the retarded notion by the National Post of calling on the Harper government to consider a full boycott of the Beijing Olympics. I can't agree more with the hypocracy of that contention, given that -- in my estimation -- you can draw "some" similarities between the native situation in Canada and the Tibet situation in China. It should also be noted in the video that the majority of the images used are pictures taken during the 1990 Oka crisis in Canada, when the military was called in because the natives were taking shots at the RCMP. Again, perhaps a parallel can be drawn between that time in Canada and the recent events in Tibet, Gansu and Qinghai. The main difference here, though, is that the media was camped out all over the place in 1990 and was allowed to freely report everything that was happening on the front lines. Now, that's not to say that the media at that time got it right. If you review this link( http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/aboriginal_people/aboriginal_news.cfm ), which talks about aboriginal reporting in Canada, and in particular the Oka standoff, one could contend that the Western (AKA: Canadian) media screwed that event up too. But at least the media was given that opportunity.

But the difference between then in Canada and recently in Tibet is that, in the end, the military in Canada did not intervene, and dialogue and negotiations diffused the situation.

Actually they are called Indians. There are several different Tribes in the Pacific Northwest. They do have all the rights that you mentioned. If you investigate further you might discover many actually have land in Canada and the US where they have autonomy and independence, but are still part of Canada or the US.

Also there are no secret prisons, no patriotic education sessions. When they protest or riot the media and reporters have full access to report what happens. Foreigners are not expelled from the region if the indians protest. The world media can come and visit and freely report on their opinions or status in the US.

If CCTV or Xinhua want to they can send a team of reporters to travel throughout Canada or the US and meet with the Indians and freely report on their situation to the Chinese people, if they care to listen.

"Just out of curiosity, if I'm a Canadian and I want to be a monk, so that I don't have to work, what should I do? Are you sure I can become one?"

Not sure what you would do in canada to obtain your personal goal of not working, but in China you would probably start by joining the communist party. They still have one there I understand and all the key positions in the government in China are occupied by members of the communist party.

Your description of 18th century lamas sounds an awful like a description of a communist party member

You know indians in the US are allowed to make their own laws and manage their own lands. Many Indians legalize gambling on their tribal lands so they can make money off the "white people" They even have indian tribes in connecticutt who own casino's.

Indians in the US also have the right to see a lawyer if they are charged with a crime.

Indians in the US cannot be thrown into a prison unless the police have a warrant or charge them formerly with a crime, just like all citizen's.

I wonder how many Tibetans who have been picked up by the PLA or the PAP the last two months will never be seen again?

What ever happened to that Tibetan woman reporter who was picked by police at here office in Gansu and has been heard from by family since April 1st?

Too much "emotional moralism" + too little "historical realities" = ......

love your nation dose not mean love your goverment or love the party in power.
the current chinese anger mainly because the violent torch protest and distorted media cover and
the exciting media/people of seeing/laughing about the torch relay which was to be a chinese national pride. I am a overseas chinese and I protested in Tianmen in 1989 and I never care if a slap in the face of CCP. But I feel really hurt this time by the deliberily spread of hatrad towards Chinese as a whole. Even I think the money shouldn't be spend on Olimpic should be spent on education or Tibet. But this Olimpic is the pride has been insulted.
I know all the problems you guys are talking about about China and I agree with most of them. But a national pride should not be humanlited like that.That's where my sadness comes from.

Excuse me Jack. What did we do that counts as "hatrad [sic] toward Chinese as a whole?"

I have gone to great lengths to show that my beef is with the policies of the CCP, not with the Chinese people.

What about those sinister little koalas? Never trust a marsupial that looks like a bear with a beak! I'll take my chances with a panda any day. If I ever found myself trapped in a Panda den, at least I'd have a good day and half to plot my escape before they got around to attacking me. That would also give me enough time to shake off my hangover and try and figure out how I ended up in a panda den in the first place. Ok, I'm done rambling.

Oops. That was meant for Paul's Aussie post. Note to self: Don't try to blog and chew bubblegum at same time.

The comparison really doesn't fly. Rocking the boat in a calm sea is not the same as rocking the boat when sailing through the midst of a storm. The native Indians are a spent force, compromising only a minority population divided amongst several tribes lacking the numbers or will to challenge the Canadian state. The alcoholism, unemployment, and myriad of social problems within the Canadian native community just goes to show that they are a broken people. The Canadian Indians aren't demanding exclusive control of half of all Canada and expulsion of all euro-Canadians.

The Tibetans are not yet completly broken. Once they have become a minority underachieving underperforming irrelevant underclass, then China may feel free to grant them their "rights". China actually should follow the example of Canada and the U.S. in dealing with the Tibetans, by decimating their numbers first and force relocating them into reservations in the middle of nowhere. I doubt many Chinese would be adverse to a Tibetan sovereignty within lump states where they are powerless outside their communities.

Btw, if you read some of the comments posted on the CBC, concerning the murmurs from native groups that they might protest the Vancouver-Whistler Olympics it is actually quite interesting how it eerily sounds similar to some of the commentary we've seen from the Chinese concerning the Tibetans.

"Go ahead and protest. And Ill be across the street protesting you. I'm sick of my tax dollars and hard earned money going to people that don't want to do anything for themselves but suck on the tit of this nation. Burning down the offices of the reciepts of the billions already given and continue to burn down and trash they homes they are given."
-Maurice DeCosse

"So the Natives are going to disrupt the 2010 Olympics. Big suprise.

What will they accomplish?

They will just cause more segregation for themselves. Although for some reason it does seem like the have an undying love for segregation themselves from every other race in society.

They will just irritate the rest of country. Although I think they enjoy doing that as well.

And they will cause more stereotypical views towards them as troublemakers. But it seems they take pride in that.

I sometimes wonder what could be accomplished if all the natives that get together to protest actually got together and did something productive.

PS. I wish the First Nations the best of luck in there planned attempts of further segregating themselves from the rest of our multi-racial country. Even though I will never understand how that helps anybody"

Not saying that a few comments on the internet should represent the entire nation of Canada, or that the Tibetan issue is entirely comparable to that of the Native groups in Canada, but it does put the Chinese views on the Tibetan issue especially opinions expressed on the internet in context.

The modern day provincial and federal governments in Canada want to look progressive...so much so, they become stooges, in a way.
They give huge amounts of money to compensate for the injustices of the past.
However, the situation of unemployment and alcoholism, etc. is beyond sad and we need a fresh approach.

It seems once the money is handed over to the First Nations there is not much accountability on how that money is spent.
I have heard more than a few times about corruption, patronage and reckless spending at the top levels of the native bands.
If a politician demands more accountability on how the dollars are being spent, native leaders could get their backs up.
Because race is such a sensitive issue, the native leaders can manipulate this to some extent and that could leave a headline in the paper that would leave a bad taste and bad smell for the politician who is simply trying to help matters.
Politicians know you just can't mess with this stuff.
What politician really wants to run the risk of somehow being branded a "racist", even though their intentions may simply be too make sure the money is spent effectivley on things like tackling addiction, education, etc.
Race is too touchy of an issue and all politicians want to look "progressive." Anything but, and the media would have a field day.
So...that's how it's handled. It may be up for open discussion at the coffee shop, but it certainly doesn't seem to be up for open discussion in the legislatures and Parliament Hill.
Hopefully, the Native Chiefs will start to make themselves more accountable and make the system more transparent.
They still have a long way to go, and I wish them well.

While it is unfair to compare the vibrant Tibetans protesters (who have a good-karma-Buddhist media image) with some broken tribes who was segregated, intoxicated, sexually abused since childhood, and forcefully indoctrinated with GOD herself; The POINT is that Canadian openness with criticism and their free press is a good example for PRC to follow.
As for an open PRC's talk with DL and and Tibetan leaders, it is equally perplexing to me why PRC won't just conduct a sincere talk with these poor sods and get on with life. It is not like PRC must grant them independence just because of a dialog. Just offer them some large slabs of land in some remote region(like the Canadians did) and let them get on with their feudalism, cultural and spiritual independence. Hire some Tibetans to be in the cities and tourist attractions for tourism if need be. Dang, its simple.
Take note that PRC should NOT repeat the heinous crimes of segregating natives kids from parents then sexually abusing them kiddos like USA and Canada did. PRC, you should learn from the goodness and not from the bad. I know PRC is bad ass people but I just don't see the kiddie sex perverts in them.

The days when you white arses leave these stolen lands (that include US, Australia, New Zealand, Falkland, Tahiti, Guam, Hawaii & all those Pacific Islands) & ship yourselves back to your original Europe are the days when you have genuinely repented & faced up to your dark history fairly & squarely. All the other talks are just mere empty talks.

In fact, most nationalistic Asians are looking forward to a day when they can expel all whites from Australia & New Zealand & rid Asia of these unwelcome Europeans from Asian soils. Will Europeans feel comfortable if there are Asian sovereign territories right in your midst in the European continent?

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If giving them some remote land and make them alcoholics and give them therapy for the sexual abuses they suffered as kids then openly discuss about it will gain you moral high ground, CCP should give Tibetans some land too and grant them as much autonomy as the natives in Canada and openly debate about it. Good PR.

Though I don't propose making them alcoholics and the sex abuse thing. Bad karma, you know.

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